Agenda and minutes

Health and Adult Social Care Overview and Scrutiny Committee - Wednesday, 26 November 2025 6.30pm, NEW

Venue: St George's Centre, Pembroke, Chatham Maritime, Chatham ME4 4UH. View directions

Contact: Email: democratic.services@medway.gov.uk 

Media

Items
No. Item

469.

Apologies for absence

Minutes:

Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Crozer, Hamandishe and Mark Prenter. 

470.

Record of meeting pdf icon PDF 336 KB

To approve the record of the meeting held on 14 October 2025.

Minutes:

The record of the meeting held on 14 October 2025 was agreed by the Committee and signed by the Chairperson as correct. 

471.

Urgent matters by reason of special circumstances

The Chairperson will announce any late items which do not appear on the main agenda but which he/she has agreed should be considered by reason of special circumstances to be specified in the report. 

Minutes:

There were none. 

472.

Chairperson's announcements

Minutes:

In relation to an action from the previous meeting to prepare a joint letter (from the Committee, Director of Public Health and the ICB) to the Secretary of State in relation to pharmacy provision and regulations, the Chairperson expressed disappointment that the ICB had not been prepared to sign the letter drafted by the Council.  Discussions would be ongoing and he hoped to report a more positive update on the matter at the meeting next week.

473.

Disclosable Pecuniary Interests or Other Significant Interests and Whipping pdf icon PDF 471 KB

Members are invited to disclose any Disclosable Pecuniary Interests or Other Significant Interests in accordance with the Member Code of Conduct. Guidance on this is set out in agenda item 4.

Minutes:

Disclosable pecuniary interests

 

There were none.

 

Other significant interests (OSIs)

 

There were none.

Other interests

 

There were none.

474.

NHS Kent and Medway Chief Executive Update pdf icon PDF 106 KB

This paper provides the Committee with an update from the newly appointed Chief Executive of NHS Kent and Medway Integrated Care Board.

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Discussion:

The Chief Executive of Kent and Medway (ICB CE) introduced the report which framed the national context and the changes required to respond to the 10 Year plan.  He highlighted the challenges across the health and care system and the opportunities for positive change. He explained that he had been asked by NHS Englandto present a report of his findings of the local and strategic diagnosis of the Kent and Medway system, since being in post, which would be concluding in December and would be shared with the Committee in due course. He had also commissioned some work to understand the underlying causes to the deficit in resource and finance of the system, which was due to conclude in the new year.

Members then raised a number of questions and comments, which included:

  • GP workforce – in response to a concern raised about the insufficient numbers of GPs in Medway, the ICB CE and the Director of Primary and Community Care explained that work was underway to fully identify the contributory factors as to why GP rates were low across Kent and Medway so that solutions could be implemented to address the issues and create a unique attractiveness to work in Kent and Medway.  It was added that generally GPs were wanting to work differently and explore working across different settings, as well as general practice and it was believed that the neighbourhood health model would assist with opportunities to facilitate that. The ICB undertook to report back on the findings of the report and the ICB response to that in due course at a future meeting.
  • Impact of Local Government Reform (LGR) – in response to a question around the various different plans referred to in the report and the impact of LGR on them, the ICB CE explained that regardless of the restructures of the ICB and those created by LGR, plans for transformation needed to be made to respond to national policy and priorities as well as local challenges but that the ICB would respond to any impacts from LGR as and when necessary.
  • Staff morale – in response to a question about staff morale in the context of huge restructuring within the ICB, the ICB CE explained that a voluntary redundancy scheme was currently open but that staff were understandably anxious and the ICB was doing its best to support staff and keep them informed. He added that some staff were in very clinically led roles and therefore the possibility of moving those teams to a different organisation to preserve those services for patients was being explored.
  • Engagement – the ICB CE explained that there would be an emphasis on service user engagement which was welcomed and work was ongoing on how best to approach engagement with the public to deliver the message that the NHS locally was managing a deficit and how it planned to address that.
  • Health facility at the previous Debenhams site – disappointment was expressed that the health facility that  ...  view the full minutes text for item 474.

475.

Prosthetic Limb Service pdf icon PDF 149 KB

This report provides an update on the future location of the Prosthetics Limb Service and the transfer of the contract, along with a completed substantial variation assessment for the Committee to consider.

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Discussion:

The Director of Strategic Commissioning and Operational Planning introduced the report which provided an update on the Prosthetics Service, its future location and the transfer of the contract. He referred to the completed substantial variation assessment attached at Appendix 1 to the report and confirmed that the ICB did not consider the proposals a substantial variation as the service was remaining the same apart from the location which was relatively close to the current location.

Reference was made to the high rate of engagement from service users which was welcomed. It was confirmed that feedback from staff and patients on the proposals had been positive and an undertaking was made to provide the detail of the engagement to Members.

Decision:

a)    The Committee noted the update on the re-procurement and mobilisation of the Prosthetic Limb Service and the substantial variation assessment attached at Appendix 1 to the report.

b)    The Committee determined that the proposals did not constitute a substantial variation or development in the provision of health services in Medway because the Committee had been informed at every stage and the service and staff were being maintained within the new facility.

476.

Kent and Medway Mental Health NHS Trust CQC Response Update pdf icon PDF 100 KB

The purpose of this paper is to provide Members with an overview of the CQC inspections into services delivered by Kent and Medway Mental Health NHS Trust, and offer assurance that progress is being made to improve services.

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Discussion:

The Director of Transformation and Partnerships and the Chief Operating Officer & Deputy Chief Executive from Kent and Medway Mental Health Trust (KMMH) introduced the report which provided an overview of the outcome of the Trust’s recent inspection by the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and an update on progress being made.

Members then raised a number of questions and comments, which included:

  • Actions taken – in response to a question on why the Trust had not addressed some of the issues identified by the CQC ahead of the inspection, given they had already been aware of them, KMMH representatives explained that some of the findings related to community mental health services models of care and waiting times which had been worked on for 18 months and a refreshed model was now in place to address these issues. Where health and safety issues had been raised, such as mandatory training, steps had been put in place to address those immediately and there were now standard checks and polices in place to reflect that.  The CQC had also identified concerns around risk assessments and it was explained that the Trust had been introducing a new risk assessment centred around patients in a more holistic approach.
  • Long waiting lists - The Trust representatives explained that KMMH had not accounted for the large numbers of patients that would come through their system for lower or medium level intervention that would need to be delivered by an organisation outside of KMMH and the lack of planning for this had caused large waiting lists. One of the immediate actions that needed to be addressed following the CQC inspection was that the Trust needed to assure itself that people waiting for a response were not at risk and had had their needs adequately assessed. Due to the volume, at the time of the inspection the Trust could not and therefore immediately implemented ways to assess people to ensure patient safety.
  • All age mental health contract – concerns were raised at the ability of KMMH, given the context of the CQC outcome, to manage the children’s mental health and the all age eating disorder service, both of which were being transferred to KMMH to create and all age mental health service contract. The KMMH representatives explained that improvements had been made to waiting lists, stating that at the point of the inspection of Medway services, 466 patients were waiting over 90 days to be seen, which had since reduced to 199 and regular checks were in place for those waiting longer periods of time to insure interventions where put in place where necessary. In addition, the average wait for Medway patients was 52.3 days, which was one of the lowest waits across Kent and Medway and the average wait for the new risk assessment and care planning was around 21 days for Medway patients. In relation to the transfer of services, the Committee were advised that staff currently working in the service under NELFT (the current provider) would  ...  view the full minutes text for item 476.

477.

South East Coast Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust: Update pdf icon PDF 114 KB

This report provides an update to the Committee on two items:

·       A position statement in response to the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary

·       An update on the group model collaboration with South Central Ambulance Service (SCAS)

Minutes:

Discussion:

The Deputy Chief Strategy Officer and the Strategic Partnerships Manager (Kent and Medway) of the South East Coast Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust (SECAmb) introduced the report which provided a position statement in response to the Dispatches documentary that had recently aired on Channel 4 and provided an update on the group model collaboration with South Central Ambulance Service (SCAS).

Members then raised a number of questions and comments, which included:

·       Defensive response – in response to a comment that the Trust’s response to the Dispatches broadcast was defensive, the SECAmb representatives explained that due to the investigation into the undercover filming being ongoing and the highly sensitive nature of the filming aired, they were unable to provide any comments or questions until the investigation had fully concluded, which was anticipated in the new year. They did confirm that to date there had been no evidence of patient harm found.

·       Staff wellbeing – it was confirmed that the impact of the broadcasting and secret filming had had a detrimental impact on staff whose trust had been breached. Therefore a wellbeing and emotional support offer was in place for staff and an increased visibility of management to provide reassurance.

·       Group model – the SECAmb representatives assured Members they had been informed as soon as possible on the decision to form a group collaboration with SCAS. It was also explained that divisional models of service would remain to provide place based local health care. Both organisations would continue to operate as separate organisations but a Group Chief Executive and a Group Chair would be appointed to help benefit from strategy collaboration and share best practice but that this would not detract from local interface and delivery.

Decision:

The Committee noted the report

478.

Establishing a Group between Medway NHS Foundation Trust and Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust pdf icon PDF 137 KB

The purpose of this report is to:

  • update the Committee on the outcome of an independent review into the potential benefits of closer collaboration between Medway NHS Foundation Trust and Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust, and
  • outline the proposed next steps for the development of a Group between the two trusts.

Minutes:

Discussion:

The Interim Chief Executive (CE) and the Chair of Medway NHS Foundation Trust (MFT) introduced the report which updated the Committee on the outcome of an independent review into the potential benefits of closer collaboration between MFT and Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust, and outlined the proposed next steps for the development of a Group between the two trusts.

Members then raised a number of questions and comments, which included:

·       Recruitment of Group CE and Chair – it was confirmed that the appointment of a Group CE would take place imminently, with the appointment of a Group Chair taking place in the new year.

·       Capacity of the Group CE – concern was raised that having a Group CE would reduce the post holder’s capacity to effectively manage each individual hospital site. In response the Interim CE and MFT Chair explained that the proposal would bring benefits around being more strategic and collaborative whilst still ensuring clinical leadership and functions at each individual site, with each site having a Managing Director to provide site leadership. The Group CE, once appointed, would need to establish a more detailed case for change and it was likely this would be reported back to the Committee in March 2026.

·       Debenhams site proposal – in response to a question about why MFT had been unable to proceed with the plans for a medical treatment centre to be established at the old Debenhams site for elective surgery, it was explained that the proposal was not financially viable due to a lower amount of capital funding being provided by NHS England than was bid for or anticipated. The concept of moving pressure out of Medway Maritime Hospital was however still supported and opportunities would continue to be explored but would need to be financially viable.

·       Staff involvement and structure – in response to a question about possible structures and how staff were being involved in proposals it was explained that the management structures would be worked through once the Group CE was appointed but that the appointment to the Managing Directors at each site would be key as they would act as the site leads. In addition, assurance was provided that for MFT, the work on stabilisation at the Trust remained a priority and focus.

Decision:

The Committee noted the report.