Discussion:
A number of
representatives from NHS Kent and Medway Integrated Care Board
(ICB) introduced the report by providing a short presentation which
included information about the background to the issue, engagement
and communication undertaken and a financial overview of the
proposals.
Members then
asked a number of questions and comments, which included:
- Mitigate
disruption – in response to a question about plans to
mitigate any disruption caused from potential changes in provider,
it was explained that built into the procurement was a six month
transition period to ensure smooth transitional arrangements.
- Staffing
– in response to a question about how the ICB were working
with providers to address vacancies within the workforce, it was
explained that the ICB took a supportive role in developing and
bringing staffing groups and networks together and raised the
profile of working for Kent and Medway to help address the shortage
which was a national issue. In addition, the ICB worked with chief
people officers across providers to develop a collaborative
strategy for recruitment, including working with
universities. It was recognised this
would be a continual challenge.
- Needs
analysis – it was asked if there was more detail about
the needs and impact on communities such as specific needs of
neurodivergent children or children with disabilities or particular
needs and how such groups had been specifically communicated with.
It was explained that at this stage engagement had been broad and
more specific and targeted consultation would occur as the
transformation process progressed over the course of the
contract.
- HASC
involvement post procurement – clarity was sought as to
how HASC could be involved and have a voice on transformation of
service once contracts were agreed. The ICB confirmed that there
would be a number of service change proposals that would be brought
back to the Committee for co-development and full involvement as
the transformation plans progressed, but the ICB did not know at
this stage what the specific changes would be. Change was needed to
improve the delivery and quality of some services and to deliver
care in different ways and HASC would be consulted on changes as
they were identified and developed.
- Discrepancy
in transition pathways – reference was made to the
discrepancy in transition between children’s and adults
services, which for some children’s services was 18 in Kent
and 19 in Medway. It was asked how this
impacted both in terms of finances and transition between the two.
It was confirmed that through the new contractual arrangements the
ICB would ensure consistency across Kent and Medway, recognising
that this issue caused frustrations for patients who also welcomed
a consistent approach.
- Substantial
Variation (SV) status – reference had been made to the
difference in opinion between the Committee and the ICB around
whether the re-procurement of community services was an SV or not.
The ICB were asked how, within the remit of an SV, could the two
work together to move forward as it was accepted that continued
improvement was needed. The ICB
acknowledged that the Council had determined the procurement was a
substantial variation and reiterated that as and when proposals
were developed they would each be brought to the Committee for
discussion, but that at the current time, there were no detailed
plans to discuss with the Committee outside of the Ambitions
Document, which was attached as Appendix 2 of Annex A to the
report.
-
Transparency – The point was made that without
understanding more detail about the implications of the
transformation that would be built into the contract, it was
difficult for the Committee to be able to effectively scrutinise
and have any possible influence and the concern was that, if this
was done post contracts being let, the opportunity to influence
would then be lost or greatly diminished. It was suggested that in
order to be ready to go out to tender for the community services
contract, the ICB must have had more detailed scope and timescales
around the transformation. Clarity and transparency was needed from
the ICB in order for the Committee to be able to carry out its
health scrutiny function and it was not considered that this was
being provided. The ICB referred to their Ambitions Document, which
would be provided with the invitation to tender. This document set
out the aspirations for the transformation but did not provide
specifics as these would need to be worked through with the
providers once contracts had been awarded.
- Lord Darzi
report – reference was made by the ICB to the Independent
Investigation of the NHS in England by Lord Darzi which recognised
the needed direction of travel for health services to focus more on
prevention rather than treatment and to focus on delivery of
services in the community rather than in hospital. It was therefore
anticipated that the forthcoming NHS 10 Year Health Plan would
provide further direction in relation to the structures of health
care provision and providing more focus on community based
services, which in turn would feed into the transformation as it is
progressed.
- Framework of
engagement – the ICB offered to provide the outline
framework of how the ICB would work with HASC and communities to
develop service specifications together.
- Finances
– the ICB explained that the budget for community services
was fixed for five years with no expectation of funding reductions.
There would be an element of levelling up and it was explained that
currently funding for Swale was probably higher than that of
Medway. It was also anticipated
following the Darzi review that more funding would likely be made
available for community services and so in line with this, the ICB
was committed to looking at opportunities to shift more funding
from acute to community/out of hospital provision.
- Direct award
option – in response to a question as to whether the ICB
had considered using direct award as an option for procurement,
given the new legislation around procurement and the opportunities
provided under award process ‘c’ of those arrangements,
it was explained that based on legal advice and advice from NHS
England, the proposed approach to go out to full competitive
procurement was the most appropriate option, as direct award could
leave the ICB at risk of challenge.
It was reiterated
that there was a collective understanding that change was needed
and the opportunity to develop services to achieve improvement was
welcomed. The difficulty the Committee
had was the approach in how this was undertaken and it was
suggested that the Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson and Opposition
Spokespersons of the Committee meet with lead officers and lead ICB
representatives to develop a way through in an informal meeting and
then report back to this Committee.
Decision:
The Committee
agreed for the Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson and Opposition
Spokespersons of the Committee to meet with lead officers and lead
ICB representatives to develop a way through in an informal meeting
and then report back to this Committee on the way forward.